Silvereye had two previous "lore" incarnations. Making another guild with the Silvereye lore as backup will feel nothing but a shameless rip off to and it actually has the potential to be far more damaging to the Silvereye than a continuation with the Silvereye guild tag and the full of it's lore. Especially, if SEComm itself is planning to make some sort of IC comeback("what SE?").

As for ideas making thing to rigid. What I purposed would only take a little reading and approval or dissaproval by you and officers. It'll only be as rigid as you wish to make it.

What is it you want? You say people can continue the story and you say you want the story to stop? I don't get it anymore.

As for quiet fading and dying... I don't agree at all. I did not sign up for it and neither do I support that descision. I agree with Erynia, there is no reason for it not to go on. Throwing all this away is a shameless waste.

I for one cannot go on with the way things are and it's also putting a strain on the IC story of my main character. (even disbanding the entire thing would have been easier than leaving SE to rot.)

So, it comes down to:

1. pass the guild on to new leadership, which judging by this thread would be Erynia

2. disband the guild

3. those who would like to move on do so, those who are content to leave their characters in the passive guild do so.

There is no option 3, I believe we've already covered that and indeed - that is why we are here, talking about this now.

/Eryn

The way I look at it, the current story of the <Silvereye> ended with the ending of Endgame.



It still needs a proper writeup, illustrated and all, to show what happened to those who could not be around for one reason or another.

But I look at it in a similar way as I looked at the end of a good book, or a good movie, for that matter. The world was saved, but had to change for that to happen. In my view, the story ended well, with a little sadness mixed in with it. But it ended anyway. And it was a good ending.

There might be a sequel at some point, a new book or movie or story. Or perhaps you want to create your own.

Which brings me to the practical side of things, and (in essence) the three options Taiev mentioned.

1. New leadership -
is not a feasible option in my opinion. The "current" Silvereye is very much the result of Taiev's vision, translation of that vision into the game, and incorporating many ideas from the members into one whole. As I said, the "current" story has ended, it's author moved on. To restart that story with a different author .. sorry, but I don't think that will work.

And moving to "new management" is hardly ever easy or simple.

2. Disbanding -
is an option, if done in such a way that the current guild (name, tag) isn't available anymore. Which is (technically) quite easy, it just means Taiev has to /gkick everyone but herself out. (I'm ignoring the emotional ease of this for now; I've never liked to /gkick even longtime absentees).

Anyone who wishes to continue would have to reform, or join another group, or whatever they desire. Advantage is that it's nice and clean; disadvantage is that it forces everyone to act at that very point in time.

3. Move on if you wish, remain if you're satisfied with that -
In effect, the current status quo. Some have moved on, others (me included) are content to remain, at least for the moment.

It's partially the status quo, because that's what we (the officers) had decided beforehand. No, it's not as nice and clean. But it's (for some of us) easy and convenient, while we are less active / just play the game / bask in the good memories. It looked (to us) as the most friendly option at the time (from the ones we were considering). And to be honest, for me the <Silvereye> tag is almost equivalent of an in-game title, only given if you're exalted with the Silvereye faction .

If I ever become fully active in WoW again, I'll take a good look around to see what guilds are available, which suit both Gilthas and my playstyle. Failing to find one, I'll look into starting one up, possibly with a theme fitting a "sequel" to the Silvereye one.

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Now, both option (2) and (3) could benefit from sharing or using the Silvereye forums to keep in contact (one thing I'm getting tired of, is the huge amount of forums I sort-of need to keep track of .. Silvereye, Nightfall, the AoC guild, another WoW forum, several RPG related ones, and that's excluding "official" forums and sites like the Argent Archives...).

I've set the Argent Archives page to "not recruiting" the day after the last event, and I've changed the post in the "New members" forum here to that as well.

And sorry, Ash .. I think I mangled you discussion format .

That's nice, but we're talking about a guild here that involves more people just one or a few story writers.

And if what you're saying is true then I feel used. Feel more like a tool to help further someone else's story and who my character was barely mattered. Didn't we all contribute? Wasn't the idea of that the people who were accepted in SE had to have something to add?

WoW is far from over. And Taiev going missing could very well be a plot point in an ongoing story.

And what restart? Talking about a continuation here, no restart at all. Can't errase the past, it would be wrong. I would leave this alone if I could errase it and forget I ever met SE. Cause option 3 is seriously messing up 'my own' IC story and option 2 needs a far better IC reason than what's floating around now, so I can move on and actually join another guild.

Selfish? Me? You bet!

I don't see any reason why option 1 cannot be given a sort of "trial run". I think Erynia will manage pretty fine. She's managed to successfully keep a raidcomm together and going strong for at least a couple of years -if not more- now. and what I've seen for the short time I was in SE she, along with Gilthas, was most active in recruiting for the guild. 'And' she's one of the old crew.

Quote and support Gilthas post.

Useless to add anything more.

It's mostly ok, Gilthas. Since you did elaborate.

But Aldaron, yours is not. Modify it or take it down. Haven't you read the first post at all?

I disagree. There is very much an option 3, since that is pretty much the weight of what I am reading in this discussion. As Gilthas points out, it is a way to casually hang about, or continue to RP, if you wish, within the fairly clear IC context of what happened around the Dolanaar moonwell. (Which I will get a proper writeup done around).

Just to clarify, when I say "restart" I mean "restart the activity of" and "continue active storytelling within" Silvereye. I do not mean start from scratch.

But all of that aside, I am seeing something along the lines of two people interested in transfering leadership to Erynia, and the rest favouring either a disband/park or remaining casually/moving on to start something else more active.

I'd like to point out that neither party has very many people for support.

No, which is why there are basically two options here.

A compromise (option 3) or an exercise of power by me (option 2).

Or is it too much for me to ask to be allowed to end something in a way that I (and a lot of the other posters here) can be proud of, rather than hand it over to the uncertainties of the future?

Now your contradicting yourself. You gave three options and now you're taking one away. *scoffs*

It is because it's not just you. You have made "an" end. But there are many endings as well as beginnings. The thing is you're not giving others even a chance. Nor did you give an early warning you were planning to kill the guild. You should have done so at the start of endgame.

No, I am illustrating that I do not consider option one to be valid. Any more than Erynia considers option three to be valid for her.

And keep a civil tone, or this discussion will go south very quickly.

Ok, then there's both an option 1 and 3

Of all of the discussions here, only you and Erynia are directly advocating a change of leadership, and/or new active officers (which would equate to a change of leadership, essentially) while the rest, including those who are active in WoW are choosing to look back on it with pleasure, and moving on.

And no, it is not just me, but arguably, I do have some weight in this discussion.

I've only seen one active in WoW arguing here for letting it die. Who else?

Others are in AoC, RL or both.