Thread for posting ideas toward the way SE is going. Guild, channels, forum, comm, etc.

Anything is welcome, from continuation of SE to disbanding the entire guild. Ideas, views and opinions you give are your own.

Feel free to add your own twist to ideas you like and only give 'constructive' criticism to the ones you don't. Hopefully they can come together and form something everyone is happy with.

A note on criticism: You do not get to break something down without and exact explanation as to why and how it could be done better.

Agree to dissagree: Make one post if you disagree with something, do not drag it out.

Support: Also one post. No shows of devout loyalty with several posts of how good an idea is and why that should be the only idea used.

Open mind: "what if". Everything is possible. For the ones who think SE should be left inactive help out with how with ideas on how they want to see SE if it were to become active again. For those who want SE active again should think of ideas on how they want to see SE staying in it's inactive phase. And so on.

(May I please also request the ideas from the officers?)

I'll start carefully.

And idea for SE inactive: A bit of an easier forum. Archiving IC stuff for easy access to read about the past.(I guess there's not much need to post new stuff IC, with exception for stories) And updating the site/argent archives profile to inform people that SE is inactive and no longer recruiting.

An idea for SE active: For storylines and new recruits to be approved on the forum by community members and/or officers so that even the ones who are not active in WoW have a say over who and what joins the community, how it's shaped and where it's going. Everyone involved so to say.

Let's see what we have now. Taiev is gone from WoW now, and will not surrender control over Silvereye. That much is clear.

I personally believe that the best course of action is to create a new guild whose purpose is to continue the legacy of the Silvereye, serving the same goals and ideals, but under a new leader. We will not be called Silvereye, and that means that we will need to earn reputation of our own. The channels #silvereye-circle and SECommunity will continue to be the OOC meeting place for all former guild members, whatever affiliation their characters choose. This forum will continue to be the planning site for the events of the new guild.

Both sides, Lekilor.

Well, if some miracle happens and leadership of Silvereye is handed over to someone else (the chances of which I see as zero), then the only problem is to keep it afloat. I will stay a member of the guild in that case, and the website, the forum and the channels will continue to serve the same function as before.

Finally, if neither of these things happens and everyone screws the RP (the worst possible scenario in my eyes), it's unlikely that I'll even play this character anymore. If everyone goes to guilds that have ideologies not fitting for Lekilor, he will stay guildless or "formally guilded" in Silvereye.

Hm, isn't it possible to keep SE afloat without changing leadership, but instead adding active officers?

Would Taiev be willing to recive petitions for something that required the use of guild controle? The Q&A stated she would keep an active account.

However, that would still leave someone IC to be appointed to keep things together.

As for the inactive part, I think the comm is drifting appart on that somewhat too. The off topic forum is not so busy anymore, I know little of the IRC channel. The SEComm channel is in WoW and many have moved on. So, how about a little boost to the IRC and forum activety? Or are we going to have to sign on to the AoC forum and switch to that to keep contact?

I don't play AoC, so you won't see me there.

Unless everyone goes quiet on the forum, I will check it regularly. Same goes for both SECommunity channels, as long as I'm on WoW.

Feedback on your original ideas first, Ash.

On inactive, I think your idea makes sense - these forums change character to have sections dedicated to staying in touch, as well as to ingame stories or initiatives. Laythe's idea might find a home here alongside the Sunbranch, or example. A cadre of Elves from LotRO might, too.

If these forums were to be come less "Silvereye" and more "SEcommunity" activity could pick up again, I think, as people centered around ideas that grew up here (See "Elune's Sword-dancers" later. It would also allow for less structured and far more casual activity that could be centered around a custom channel in WoW. I'd probably peek in now and then if it were something like that.

On the active idea, keeping everyone "in the loop" risks become entirely too rigid to permit flexibility. Who would a story idea have to be "signed off" on by? What about in-game policing? It would essentially put a large stumbling delay in terms of leadership, which would be stifling.

Remaining active also faces an issue with regard to story.

In story terms, the third iteration of the Silvereye ended when the Oracle(s) made their pronouncement.

So, any IC followup could have to do with the fallout from that - perhaps finding a new purpose and a new way to serve the Goddess? That is intetionally wide open, and all sorts of ideas could come forward, but would need to do so within the framework of the established "lore" of the Silvereye. If that lore and history is ignored, then whatever takes its place is essentially something new, operating under the same name.

If I were to suggest an idea for remaining active it would probably be something akin to a sword-dancer troupe (very WHFB, I know) - a group of mercenaries who do Elune's will with the edge of the blade or martial magic.

Not everyone in Silvereye is a warrior, Taiev. That's why there were different "paths" in the original guild.

There is a fighting side to Lekilor of course - he will defend his native lands if they are under attack and he won't shy away from fighting demons or undead as long as he believes he is capable of defeating them. But still, his preferred methods of helping the cause are healing the corruption and spreading the message through events like Faiths of the Alliance.

This element I will pick up on, since I sent you a text document with some possible repercussions and ways forward IC, I've done an edit of them for now to keep the matter as "neutral" and without bias as I can.

"Everything that has a beginning, has an end"

With Taiev leaving, the following changes are presumed as logical IC consequence:

- Power structure is flattened, only whoever takes over by virtue of her negotiations with the guild registrar has obtained any level of authority whatsoever, and even that is only as "owner" of the name Silvereye, there will need to be IC discussions to decide how much control and leadership s/he can exert beyond being the "steward" of the name.

- The paths and the seals no longer exist. Taiev took two of them, thus the seals and the paths of the silvereye are considered moot at this time, something may grow in place to take over, perhaps a purified version of the paths, but the current iteration is thus - defunct, that is not to say that the paths cannot be resurrected or reworked, but one must understand the impact of Taiev's departure upon them.

- The Silvereye as a formal organisation has lost all political influence in Kalimdor, naturally individual exceptions will exist within the circle (Eryn has a lot of money and a good pool of contacts to draw on, Laythe should he remain has history in Ashenvale - just to illustrate a few examples), but as a general note, being Silvereye will not confer any particular priviledges and you will be expected to act "with grace" in the face of other organisations.

- Standings reset. All other organisations are conisdered "Neutral" until proven otherwise.

- The oath *remains* and all standing members are expected to honour it.

So where would this leave the Silvereye in a post Taiev world?

In short - going back to their very roots, doing a lot of soulsearching, and returning back to their first intents (this goes back waaaaaay before many of you, and hits the era of Rueti and Niviel and so on), it would also mean that the Silvereye become much more subtle and less militaristic as they seek to rebuild and restrengthen, mending damage first before expanding and growing anew.

A circle in that light would most likely not be a mercenary group, but a much more peaceful gathering of traditionalist Kaldorei, who seek refuge and to rebuild what they saw as their former glory. More defensively reactive than agressively pro-active. Tradition and history being the great guides in this, there's plenty of that to go on and plenty of lore that could be applied to develop the way forward. Though in such a case, that would require energy and time, a fairly significant chunk thereof, if it worked the payoff would perhaps be that the "dying" that has happened would end.

/Eryn

Just picking up on a few things.

My suggestion about wardancers was just a suggestion, Lekilor, and should be seen as part of a more community oriented idea, where multiple guilds and projects would draw on the same community of people.

And, as always, Erynia, you present a solid and well thought through idea - structure is one of your strengths - but I see nothing in your idea that requires it take place under the same guild-tag, any more than Laythe's idea would need to.

It would work just as well in a guild called Silver Oath, which would be a traditionalist 4th iteration following on after the overly militaristic Silvereye (remember that the Silvereye itself was ICly the third incarnation and interpretation of the ideology, so a new name would dovetail in quite nicely).

These forums could be used to stay in touch with people, and retain all of the old information (or entirely new forums could be created) as well as forming a kick-off point for all manner of other small projects. In many ways that would avoid what has always been the central problem with Silvereye - its monotheme, that forced people with good non-kaldorei ideas out of contact.

The community could stay in touch, those who want to move on with rp iniatives in WoW could do so and everyone wins.

So, one question remains - how happy is everyone with the ideas described by Taiev and Erynia? I can say for myself that I am perfectly happy with the way things are described and will join such a project as soon as it is announced. What will the rest of the guild say?

(I hope Ash doesn't consider that excessive support )

Right back at you Taiev, I see nothing you've said which explicitly prohibits the use of the SE guildtag.

/Eryn

I was pointing out an option which could be a way to proceed with the community of people, and the same connections (and as we have said, the people are what is important) without having to restart something which has gone out in the way it should.

You see, a major concern I have about allowing <Silvereye> to restart as an active guild is that I am convinced that it will be in the same situation X months down the line, because after all, history has shown us that.

So instead of letting it fade out and die after that period of time, I would prefer for the story of Silvereye to stop now, sadly, gloriously, in a way we will remember.

But, I do fully recognise that people would like to continue, and I proposed at least one specific idea for how that could be achieved. Laythe has done the same. So, we can move on, recognising the connection we share, which is the guild that was, and begin new things either entirely independantly, or perhaps using this community and its connections to start something new where we might participate.