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Keeper of the First Secrets
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Feedback on your original ideas first, Ash.
On inactive, I think your idea makes sense - these forums change character to have sections dedicated to staying in touch, as well as to ingame stories or initiatives. Laythe's idea might find a home here alongside the Sunbranch, or example. A cadre of Elves from LotRO might, too.
If these forums were to be come less "Silvereye" and more "SEcommunity" activity could pick up again, I think, as people centered around ideas that grew up here (See "Elune's Sword-dancers" later. It would also allow for less structured and far more casual activity that could be centered around a custom channel in WoW. I'd probably peek in now and then if it were something like that.
On the active idea, keeping everyone "in the loop" risks become entirely too rigid to permit flexibility. Who would a story idea have to be "signed off" on by? What about in-game policing? It would essentially put a large stumbling delay in terms of leadership, which would be stifling.
Remaining active also faces an issue with regard to story.
In story terms, the third iteration of the Silvereye ended when the Oracle(s) made their pronouncement.
So, any IC followup could have to do with the fallout from that - perhaps finding a new purpose and a new way to serve the Goddess? That is intetionally wide open, and all sorts of ideas could come forward, but would need to do so within the framework of the established "lore" of the Silvereye. If that lore and history is ignored, then whatever takes its place is essentially something new, operating under the same name.
If I were to suggest an idea for remaining active it would probably be something akin to a sword-dancer troupe (very WHFB, I know) - a group of mercenaries who do Elune's will with the edge of the blade or martial magic.
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Augur of the Third Age
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QUOTE (Taiev @ Jul 25 2008, 09:37 PM) | On the active idea, keeping everyone "in the loop" risks become entirely too rigid to permit flexibility. Who would a story idea have to be "signed off" on by? What about in-game policing? It would essentially put a large stumbling delay in terms of leadership, which would be stifling.
Remaining active also faces an issue with regard to story.
In story terms, the third iteration of the Silvereye ended when the Oracle(s) made their pronouncement.
So, any IC followup could have to do with the fallout from that - perhaps finding a new purpose and a new way to serve the Goddess? That is intetionally wide open, and all sorts of ideas could come forward, but would need to do so within the framework of the established "lore" of the Silvereye. If that lore and history is ignored, then whatever takes its place is essentially something new, operating under the same name. |
This element I will pick up on, since I sent you a text document with some possible repercussions and ways forward IC, I've done an edit of them for now to keep the matter as "neutral" and without bias as I can.
"Everything that has a beginning, has an end"
With Taiev leaving, the following changes are presumed as logical IC consequence:
- Power structure is flattened, only whoever takes over by virtue of her negotiations with the guild registrar has obtained any level of authority whatsoever, and even that is only as "owner" of the name Silvereye, there will need to be IC discussions to decide how much control and leadership s/he can exert beyond being the "steward" of the name.
- The paths and the seals no longer exist. Taiev took two of them, thus the seals and the paths of the silvereye are considered moot at this time, something may grow in place to take over, perhaps a purified version of the paths, but the current iteration is thus - defunct, that is not to say that the paths cannot be resurrected or reworked, but one must understand the impact of Taiev's departure upon them.
- The Silvereye as a formal organisation has lost all political influence in Kalimdor, naturally individual exceptions will exist within the circle (Eryn has a lot of money and a good pool of contacts to draw on, Laythe should he remain has history in Ashenvale - just to illustrate a few examples), but as a general note, being Silvereye will not confer any particular priviledges and you will be expected to act "with grace" in the face of other organisations.
- Standings reset. All other organisations are conisdered "Neutral" until proven otherwise.
- The oath *remains* and all standing members are expected to honour it.
So where would this leave the Silvereye in a post Taiev world?
In short - going back to their very roots, doing a lot of soulsearching, and returning back to their first intents (this goes back waaaaaay before many of you, and hits the era of Rueti and Niviel and so on), it would also mean that the Silvereye become much more subtle and less militaristic as they seek to rebuild and restrengthen, mending damage first before expanding and growing anew.
A circle in that light would most likely not be a mercenary group, but a much more peaceful gathering of traditionalist Kaldorei, who seek refuge and to rebuild what they saw as their former glory. More defensively reactive than agressively pro-active. Tradition and history being the great guides in this, there's plenty of that to go on and plenty of lore that could be applied to develop the way forward. Though in such a case, that would require energy and time, a fairly significant chunk thereof, if it worked the payoff would perhaps be that the "dying" that has happened would end.
/Eryn
"Some prices are too great. Some webs should never be spun." - Erynia Starshard, Cenarion Agent (Internal Affairs)
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Keeper of the First Secrets
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Just picking up on a few things.
My suggestion about wardancers was just a suggestion, Lekilor, and should be seen as part of a more community oriented idea, where multiple guilds and projects would draw on the same community of people.
And, as always, Erynia, you present a solid and well thought through idea - structure is one of your strengths - but I see nothing in your idea that requires it take place under the same guild-tag, any more than Laythe's idea would need to.
It would work just as well in a guild called Silver Oath, which would be a traditionalist 4th iteration following on after the overly militaristic Silvereye (remember that the Silvereye itself was ICly the third incarnation and interpretation of the ideology, so a new name would dovetail in quite nicely).
These forums could be used to stay in touch with people, and retain all of the old information (or entirely new forums could be created) as well as forming a kick-off point for all manner of other small projects. In many ways that would avoid what has always been the central problem with Silvereye - its monotheme, that forced people with good non-kaldorei ideas out of contact.
The community could stay in touch, those who want to move on with rp iniatives in WoW could do so and everyone wins.
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Guardian of the Ancient Ways
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So, one question remains - how happy is everyone with the ideas described by Taiev and Erynia? I can say for myself that I am perfectly happy with the way things are described and will join such a project as soon as it is announced. What will the rest of the guild say? (I hope Ash doesn't consider that excessive support )
The dark times will pass. We will persevere. Remember the Keeper.
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Taiev |
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Keeper of the First Secrets
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I was pointing out an option which could be a way to proceed with the community of people, and the same connections (and as we have said, the people are what is important) without having to restart something which has gone out in the way it should.
You see, a major concern I have about allowing <Silvereye> to restart as an active guild is that I am convinced that it will be in the same situation X months down the line, because after all, history has shown us that.
So instead of letting it fade out and die after that period of time, I would prefer for the story of Silvereye to stop now, sadly, gloriously, in a way we will remember.
But, I do fully recognise that people would like to continue, and I proposed at least one specific idea for how that could be achieved. Laythe has done the same. So, we can move on, recognising the connection we share, which is the guild that was, and begin new things either entirely independantly, or perhaps using this community and its connections to start something new where we might participate.
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